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warren_kn · Apr 20, 2006, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by Imaginos

You can believe all you want that Anet may not charge for ingame stuff in the future but other ORPG's are already starting to do that and there is nothing to say that Anet won't follow suit. If anything they have even more of a reason to as they don't charge a monthy fee.

Anet could have started out guildwars with the same type of slot structure that most other ORPG's are doing (ie 8ish) but they chose to limit people instead. They could have allowed a merged account to have access to all slots on both accounts as you're already losing access to a full seperate storage by merging but again they chose to limit people to only half of the slots if you merge. You do however get access to both sets of content on one account with merger of course.

For the poster above who is going to dump 40 bucks or so on 4 slots, just buy a bargin bin version of GW for 30 bucks and save yourself 10 bucks AND get another full storage.

There is a difference between those examples and buying slots for GW. The examples in other games are "needed" by players to remain competitive. Extra character slots in GW are a convenience, nothing more. Similarly, the person who is gonna buy 4 slots is probably because it is convenient to have them all on the same account, sharing the same storage and not having the hassle of transferring between accounts. To the argument above stating $x for item a, $x for whatever else, those costs are one offs, no comparison to monthly fees. Even so, I doubt there will be any purchaseable items in GW, at least in the near future anyway.

capblueberry · Apr 20, 2006, 10:53 PM // 22:53

we're still going to get our 2 extra character slots from factions with the game purchase though rite???

Loviatar · Apr 20, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by Mercury Angel

Because if it's just storage space you're after, you get 4 more characters with the additional purchase of Guild Wars Prophecies AND their Storage.
but that's not what I said either.

true.

this way i could have some extra space without firing up the other pc and doing a trade that way.

convenience

Imaginos · Apr 20, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by Xaniera

Well, okay, so A-Net might start charging you to keep up in the game, but think about some of the things they've already done. The reason they don't charge a monthly fee is to get people to join their game. If they charge real money to get less lag or something, they've become no better than other MMOs, and then it's back to a battle of whether people like WoW or GW better. I seriously doubt it. A-Net is stepping out in the crowd and doing something different than other MMOs. Forget trends, they're going to be what they are just because that's what they are. I salute them for that.

About your last comment, there's also a convenience factor to buying new slots vs. buying a new account. Ever tried trading stuff from one account to another with only one computer? Heh, takes either a lot of work or a really trusted friend whom you know won't scam 100 plat and 50 ectos off of you.

EDIT: /agree with what soul torn just said.

It is a very simple thing to install 2 clients from 2 different cd's into 2 different directories and run them at the same time. Make swapping pretty easy. Much easier of course if you actually own 2 computers.

Soul Torn, Yeah i was not talking to you. If you want to link your accounts and buy slots more power to you. If you didn't, well, same thing, more power to you

I saw that I missed a post by Ensign with a reasonable explination of why Anet may have given only 4 slots. Not sure I totally agree with it as I know way too many people in the game who want a slot for every single primary and are not sharing their accounts across family members, but it IS a good, logical reason/guess as to why Anet did it.

Xaniera · Apr 20, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by capblueberry

we're still going to get our 2 extra character slots from factions with the game purchase though rite???

Don't worry, these extra slots are an extra thing that comes out in the summer. You'll still get your 2 bonus slots.

warren_kn · Apr 20, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by capblueberry

we're still going to get our 2 extra character slots from factions with the game purchase though rite???

Yes we are.

AeroLion · Apr 20, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

To all the people that are saying this may lead to a slippery slope where Anet charges for content like skill balances, new areas, or other fundamental content, did none of you actually read the threads in the Factions forum where there was a huge argument about 2 extra slots not being enough? Did you not notice where people, myself included, were practically foaming at the mouth begging Anet to introduce purchasable extra slots exactly like they're doing now?

You want to be all doom and gloom and try to paint Anet as the bad guy? Fine. But your argument holds no water because it was the surge in GW community asking to purchase more character slots that's to blame. Not some diabolical plan by Anet to make you eventually pay $2 for a horse.

ubrikkean · Apr 20, 2006, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Hm, I'm actually not going to buy any accounts, and this quote by my guild mate will help explain why:

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Originally Posted by ----

While I agree that id like more slots, I think it helps make things diverse in that you need to pick and choose what characters you make and keep (at the current rate you always have to leave out 2) That way not everyone can have everything, and people need to rely on one another more, which i like in concept, even though i WANT to have one of every character, i think its smart to not let us. At least we can reroll pvps as anything we want

I personally agree with this, but since ANet decided to allow slot purchasing, I will go along with it.

Feel free to disagree, I have nothing against you, this is just the view that I like.

Xaniera · Apr 20, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Imaginos

It is a very simple thing to install 2 clients from 2 different cd's into 2 different directories and run them at the same time. Make swapping pretty easy. Much easier of course if you actually own 2 computers.

2 different CDs doesn't make a difference, it's still the same client. There was a thread not too long ago on either Guru or GW Online (call me a heretic if you want, I'm in both forums but only really post in this one) about running 2 copies of guild wars at the same time. Yes, you copied the install of the client into 2 separate directories. Then you renamed a few files, opened some of them with a hex editor, and pretty much began to smash your End-User Licence Agreement to a million pieces. You had to have a fairly good knowledge of what you were doing, and how not to ruin your computer to get it to work. Besides that, if A-Net caught you chopping their client, you'd probably go from 2 accounts to 0.

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Originally Posted by AeroLion

...pay $2 for a horse.

heehee, do they make you do that in WoW or something?

Fungus Amongus · Apr 20, 2006, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

can you say "Out of storage"?

One more storage row per added character slot would be in line with current storage capacity. I would be fine with that. Currently we have four rows of five and four character slots. So six characters should have six rows of five.

~Edit - Purchase one slot and receive five more boxes in storage with it.

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Originally Posted by coldplay

how about selling storage boxes, too? A-net

Don't give them any ideas.

Soul Torn · Apr 20, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Ya I know you werent Imaginos but it looked like it to others

BTW yes I can run two clients, yes I know how to, yes I can afford multiple copies of GW, I can even afford multiple computers if I want.

BUT, I like having one storage box (wish it were bigger tho) I like having one screen with all my characters on it, I like being able to switch items SO easily (put in box, take out of box) and I REALLY like having one logon lol. I have too many passwords and files and numbers too remember already.
When I want to play I want to click on the shortcut, type in my pass, and play. Thats it, nothing more. No hexediting, no sucking up my memory, no dealing with 2 accounts.

Point is, its much more convienent to just buy 2-3 more slots for the characters I want to play and merge my accounts. It also equals out for cost as is shown earlier in this thread.

I will shutup now since Im sure there was 5 more posts since I started typing this

Xaniera · Apr 20, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Soul Torn

BTW yes I can run two clients, yes I know how to, yes I can afford multiple copies of GW, I can even afford multiple computers if I want.

I'm not going to report you or anything, as if I could, but did you find a way to run 2 clients without messing with the source code?

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Originally Posted by Soul Torn

BUT, I like having one storage box (wish it were bigger tho) I like having one screen with all my characters on it, I like being able to switch items SO easily (put in box, take out of box) and I REALLY like having one logon lol. I have too many passwords and files and numbers too remember already.
When I want to play I want to click on the shortcut, type in my pass, and play. Thats it, nothing more. No hexediting, no sucking up my memory, no dealing with 2 accounts.

Point is, its much more convienent to just buy 2-3 more slots for the characters I want to play and merge my accounts. It also equals out for cost as is shown earlier in this thread.

I have to agree, it's very convenient to have only one screen, and one logon. Only thing I'd change about it is being able to switch characters without logging off. I hate remembering passwords too, I finally just bought a fingerprint reader made by Microsoft. It doesnt do MMOs, but I don't have to remember any other passwords. Nice little thingy for only $20.

Edit: I should probably stop drifting so far off-topic. Maybe I'll go do some homework or something. Maybe....

Loviatar · Apr 20, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

[QUOTE][QUOTE=Xaniera] Besides that, if A-Net caught you chopping their client, you'd probably go from 2 accounts to 0.
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i have official word months ago from a PM.

he checked and the response was as follows.

Anet does not approve of it nor does Anet disapprove of it.

Xaniera · Apr 20, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

i have official word months ago from a PM.

he checked and the response was as follows.

Anet does not approve of it nor does Anet disapprove of it.

Hmm. I thought I had read something in the EULA, but maybe not. It's quite extensive, and written in a lot of legalese. I don't speak legalese very well.

Edit: Fixed a typo that caused quote thing to mess up.

Lets Get to Healing · Apr 20, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Well if they do this, i beg for a merge account features. With these slots being added, having 2 accounts is pointless.

lord_shar · Apr 20, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Sorry if this has been said previously...

No matter what is said for or against additional character slot sales, one fact remains: It takes real money to maintain GW's hardware and storage requirements. Adding additional character slots will increase the disk consumtion and backup requirements on ANET's side. This is something that GW's current infrastructure may not handle very well long term without additional funding. By allowing GW players to purchase character storage accounts, ANET offsets the additional costs incurred by such a character slot upgrade.

Many of us ask for free lunches -- sorry, the modern business world isn't always so forgiving. Given GW's no-subscription model, ANET will eventually start losing money maintaining GW unless alternative forms of real-world income are found (such as expansion sales, character slot sales, etc...)

Cjlr · Apr 20, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Boy did this thread balloon...

But back on topic. More character slots? Woohoo!!!!! Party time! And people said whining loudly wouldn't get us anywhere. I don't particularly want to spend $11 per slot - but I don't particularly want to spend anything ever. But I will. Definately.

One thing I noticed in this thread was that some people seemed to think that just because ANet is offering the purchase of something we asked for they'll see fit to charge for other crap in order to make a quick buck off all us pidgeons. I dunno, but that just doesn't seem likely to me.

Oh, and C&C 3 was announced today! Woohoo!!!!! again! That's two dreams come true in a single day! It's positively orgasmic.

wheel · Apr 20, 2006, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Xaniera

2 different CDs doesn't make a difference, it's still the same client. There was a thread not too long ago on either Guru or GW Online (call me a heretic if you want, I'm in both forums but only really post in this one) about running 2 copies of guild wars at the same time. Yes, you copied the install of the client into 2 separate directories. Then you renamed a few files, opened some of them with a hex editor, and pretty much began to smash your End-User Licence Agreement to a million pieces. You had to have a fairly good knowledge of what you were doing, and how not to ruin your computer to get it to work. Besides that, if A-Net caught you chopping their client, you'd probably go from 2 accounts to 0.

It's very easy to run 2 clients at the same time without breaking the EULA at all.

MSecorsky · Apr 20, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Think about one more thing, everyone... the Uber-EBay-farmers that will now buy a dozen extra slots to store their wares.

Until they get caught and have their account, slots and all, deleted.

Ooh, the pain.

Tazzo · Apr 20, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

I'm glad to see this happen i was a pro supporter of extra slots and i will be buying 3-4 extra slots as soon as pos.And at $5.99*4=£23.96 i think is a sweet deal as i was going to buy 2 copies instead.

Really merging 2 accounts and losing 2 slots straight away didnt bother me as i was going to do both new characters and as i have 3 lvl 20 chars and a pvp slot , 2 slots for the new classes suited me,but to get a chance to develop all classes and a possible mule(if storage increases mule scrapped) that im willing to pay.

As always people will have there moans,it wouldnt be the same without them infact 9/10 times pushes you to want it more.As people have been saying for a long time give me a slot that i can use in my current game and ill buy it they have gave us this. Gratz to them if there making a bit of cash on selling you extra slots IF you want them fine its not excactly alot of cash.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT : If this is your main game you have put alot of time into and your offered a chance to take a different class as you have ran out of slots chances are you'll pay £5.99 for the chance to mess with it,if its not your main game chances are youll be lucky to play or devolop enough to want to spend anything on it, 6 slots is more than enough for you.

/signed *Thanks